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what's up everybody happy thursday

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thanks for joining us

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we are going to have a great

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it's going to be back back because

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yesterday was pretty cool too

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um so if you haven't seen it go back and

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check it out but today

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is going to be super special um i

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haven't had the opportunity to talk to

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stuart one on one yet he's been on

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in the past with the experiencer group

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which he is a co-founder of which is

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very cool so

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but today i wanted to bring him on

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for many different reasons first of all

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i wanted to to pick his brain about you

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know what he thinks about a variety of

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different things non-human entities uh

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you know being one of those

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um if you're not familiar he hosts a

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wonderful uh podcast

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you can find it in all sorts of places

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the link i put in the description of

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this is for his uh youtube channel

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um it's a podcast dedicated to exploring

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how contact with non-human entities

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impacts human creativity and artistry uh

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his last episode

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um was uh on john mack which is awesome

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if you know me you know i dig john mack

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um and before that he had uh jim semivan

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and he had an incredible story himself

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and they went over that um and i'm still

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kind of reeling from the episode i was

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listening to uh before i started the

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so uh which got me in a

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very uh odd mood and we could probably

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so uh but without further ado i will

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bring him on hello stewart oh my god i'm

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i'm a connoisseur of odd moods please do

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oh all right uh well you had uh this

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i'm listening to that uh episode and it

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he's getting to the part where he's

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talking about the the third you know

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phenomenon or maybe the third or maybe

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the third iteration of the same or

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whatever and he starts describing it and

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he starts with a cloud like a normal

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shaped cloud

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and i'm like i i totally get what he's

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talking about right away i'm like yeah

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because you know this sounds like okay a

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cloud but then he starts uh describing

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like the the inside of it now there's

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activity constant activity in it

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um you know a couple different colors

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going around and swirling around in it

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and you know i was just put right back

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into my own

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uh sighting which you know was

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somebody's with them that doesn't really

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and you experience this thing together

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whatever it is has some sort of sense of

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learning is certainly a familiar

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scenario i think yeah you you and i i'm

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that you know for me the big reward of

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doing the podcast is that i get to have

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the conversations and learn

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uh and have an in-depth unlimited

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latitude to explore

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every nuance in slow motion and the

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experience of his own words and i just

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that fair to say

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that's almost kind of uh afraid as well

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particular experience like i was just

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or or having your own it's it's uh it's

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to have a better understanding

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these are the natural cycles

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to our human consciousness when we enter

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into a long-term relationship with these

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presences the ecosystem of these

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strangeness and i think that if you can

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has undulated i've gone through periods

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where i've absolutely wanted to shut it

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down and close it out hermetically seal

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myself off which was

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in part a survival

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strategy and then there's other times as

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you're sharing where it's just

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20 hours 22 hours a day is not enough

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and i'm completely immersed and

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engrossed and

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my appetite is insatiable so it comes

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and goes and and i think that

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what's interesting about this and us

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having a conversation all the

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conversations you have and

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that i've had with other folks is that

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when the community

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starts to build around this

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positive wish for us

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for each other to do well and to be able

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to be healthy while simultaneously

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remaining engaged that to me feels like

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a new chapter possibly in the longer

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probably has a lot to do with this with

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heretofore you had to physically travel

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if you wanted to hope to find a

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i feel like every new person who comes

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into my life who i can have these

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healthy conversations with who

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understands from a first-person

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perspective some of what experiential

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life is like it helps to distribute and

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diminish some of the intensity

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i think we're keeping each other well

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in a new way and i hope that continues

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so that's part of why i'm excited to be

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on your show why i'm excited to have you

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on my show

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and uh good afternoon to you by the way

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you and yours

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the one behind you as well oh you can

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see him yeah

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and you got that beautiful white get

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acoustic back there

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i got in a lot of trouble for painting

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that white

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who cares you do you i had a black one

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see i made a yin yang out of them when i

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was on tour and so i painted them but

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the guitar makers didn't appreciate it

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what are you gonna do

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you know tell me a little bit more about

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the role you see yourself playing and

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all of this because i know you have that

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podcast but you're also co-founder of

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sessions as well don't you i'm not a

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clinical therapist but i do one-on-one

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sessions with peeps so

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four-fold number one i'm an experiencer

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experience with a mantis entity it just

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met them and through john began to

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have dozens of friendships and could

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see what these people were like

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behind closed doors and in private in

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absolutely dead serious and completely

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uh very legitimate and enigmatic as john

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had shared in his sentiments so the

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advocacy advocacy for experience was is

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a little more aged it goes back decades

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experience and tried to acquire

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practices methods and resources that

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could help me to feel like i wasn't

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going to come apart at the seams i

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immersion in transpersonal psychology

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and spiritual practitioner for 30 years

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those things kind of cohered

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and formed a new braid and that braid

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experimented on my own life with

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kind of ingredients that i would move in

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and out try some of this try that what

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happens when you put these two things

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and in a real pragmatic way just seeing

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what made my life better what decreased

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the ontological shock i've had the

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all of those not all of them many of

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those hallmarks and so just noticing

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which of those would improve with the

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application of these tools and

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methodologies

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that dovetailed somewhat with

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meeting jay and kirsten

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and then us having this simple

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conversation

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why aren't there communities protecting

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anonymous online communities i know you

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and jay have talked about it a lot on

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your show i've been on here and spoke

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with you all about as well and kirsten

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and uh so that

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forming the community

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occurred in tandem with me then working

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one-on-one sometimes through

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transpersonal hypnotherapy but to be

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frank often not i would say the majority

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of it is talk sessions where we apply

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a set of tools and practices some of

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them

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for almost everything

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for them or more for some people in

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particular but it's a basic toolbox

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there's

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uh a dozen or so practices

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and

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in working one-on-one with experiencers

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it's the same feeling with the show it's

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the same feeling when you're just having

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a conversation with an experiencer in

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private at a coffee shop sure if

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people's lives get better that just

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feels like

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the greatest most inspiring thing

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and that naturally has

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percolated and slowly expanded over the

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last couple years to now my practice

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working one-on-one with people is more

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consistent but yeah i'm like you i've

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got a

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kaleidoscope of things going on in my

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life and that's kind of how i like it

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because

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i have uh

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attention deficit disorder i get bored

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easily i need to jump on to the next

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thing

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yeah me too that's actually kind of one

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of the things i appreciate about this

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topic is

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it's really hard to get bored because

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there's always another aspect at least

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where i am in my

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you know uh life with this is there's

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always an aspect that i haven't

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researched yet or a stone i haven't

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turned yet

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um and so if i do get bored there's

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something else i can go into you know

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and check out and just uh add on top of

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um

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you know knowledge if you want to call

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it that about this

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um

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you know do you ever with with what you

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just kind of described all the different

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steps or whatever and you know how to

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try to make your life better whether it

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be you or somebody else or or other

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steps or what have you do do you feel

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like these

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um these things these non-human entities

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um

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are somewhat

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um amused by her attempts

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to restore herself

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you mean in a a cynical sense as though

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it's

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futile and

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i'd say

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we're

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pluralistic

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population of kinds of presences so to

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begin with i'd want to say

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any very broad statement

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would have to allow for the fact that i

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think there's a plurality or there's a

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real multiplicity of entities here and

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they behave

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in very different ways and they come

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from different places and they have

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different objectives and sensibilities

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i would say that anything you would

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probably look for

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for instance an entity that watches us

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try to

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gain advantage and obtain a better set

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of conditions that probably does benefit

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some

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low level or um not particularly

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benevolent

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range of entities i don't think that's

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super common i don't think that the

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sinister

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facet is the norm i'm a dark guy all

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i think that basically you can find

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anything you look for that right there's

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this big range and so

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it really depends on which

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particular facet of the population we're

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looking at

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sure

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well you know the the plurality of it uh

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how many different entities do you think

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uh you know we're working with or

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dealing with or how do you even tell

401
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too many um

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if i'm to answer are they from outer

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space are they from here are you

404
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guessing do you know you know i i mean

405
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definitely i

406
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have a working

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uh dynamic

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model that's in flux i'm a seeker an

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experiencer

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trying test driving tools seeing what

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helps and i would say in terms of how

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many

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i certainly off the top of my head can

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think of a dozen categories

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uh you know someone who's done a lot

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more work on this is sean as bjorn

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hargens who's completed an entire

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taxonomy people can refer to that uh but

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you know within my work what i would say

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routinely is engaged is of course mantis

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entities because i think there's a

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tuning fork quality to

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because my mantis

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relationship has been predominant that

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also creates a kind of natural resonance

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where other mantis experiencers will

427
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reach out but also of course grey's

428
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nordics um

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there are

430
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plenty of local what i would say

431
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our neighbors earthbound neighbors we're

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talking fey category and

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um

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always only lived here

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then you have a category of entities

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that would be perhaps discarnate humans

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that have not

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found

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purchase in a domain beyond the local

440
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i've not found purchase

441
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uh then you've got a whole range of

442
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dimensionals inter-dimensionals i think

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there's a category that's not huge but

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is interesting which is

445
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those that masquerade as other kinds of

446
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entities there are certainly a range of

447
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entities that will present themselves as

448
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a when b is the reality behind the veil

449
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and

450
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yeah

451
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breakaway civilizations probably

452
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or possibly i would say multiple

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categories although they don't feature

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much

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in the work that i do at least

456
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my stuff tends to to anchor more toward

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the

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contactee abductee or

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an increasing population that that i

460
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think we're seeing a lot of is

461
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simply deeply developed human beings who

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are of their own volition

463
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reaching out and actively seeking

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contact with other non-human entities

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what do you think about that

466
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i i'm not sure i think it was you that

467
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kind of

468
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says well

469
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you know you kind of related to a ouija

470
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board you know you're you're opening

471
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something up and you're not really sure

472
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what's gonna you know come say hello so

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to speak

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yeah i would uh again broadly speaking

475
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right really depends on the person so

476
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like to i'll do ends of the spectrum for

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instance i know

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some

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really deeply advanced hermetic

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practitioners and shamans and

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uh really deeply advanced vajrayana

482
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teachers and

483
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there i would

484
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venture to say very well equipped they

485
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know what they're doing and they're

486
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coming from a lineage that has

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old old protocols and practices in place

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i mean the ce5 thing is kind of funny to

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think about because actually these

490
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traditions have been doing this for more

491
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than a thousand years

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some of them thousands of years so

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this was

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run of the mill day-to-day behavior and

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shamanism for tens of thousands of years

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in that end of the spectrum

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i would never

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supposed to advise against them

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taking up the practices and initiatives

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of their own old lineages aleister

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crowley on the other hand

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would you want his life i mean did it

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end well for him how did that turn out

504
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for him that's the thing that right i

505
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love that you brought that up because

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the in somewhere in the much mercury

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territory let's say is the

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aleister crowley but even going back to

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john d and

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this other

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subterranean lineage which is the

512
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left-hand path-ish approach to invoking

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summoning in training creating aggregors

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and uh

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other enslaved entities or at least

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working in tandem with them and i just

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have yet to see of a left-hand

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practitioner who made

519
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a way of that

520
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that i would want to live their lives

521
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that i would want to have it and it

522
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never ends well for them

523
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so then you've got since i'm hidden wow

524
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that was fantastic right

525
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it went up in a blaze of

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glory tipped the words right out of my

527
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brain

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[Laughter]

529
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and then

530
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there's a there's a

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another

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category that i think is

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is

534
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much more multi-dimensional and again

535
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goes depends on the person so

536
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this is i would put myself in this

537
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category to a degree which is after my

538
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mantis

539
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entity contact in 2010

540
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eventually over years i began to become

541
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much more proactively

542
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assertive and upset i wanted to

543
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get back into a conversation with this

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entity to tell it that i wanted things

545
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to happen in a different way that

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i couldn't

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and wouldn't

548
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if possible

549
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uh continue to just simply be a passive

550
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subject in the events that were

551
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happening around my house and in my life

552
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and

553
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that's also part of why of course i took

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up the

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practices and tried to create a formula

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of sorts at least that would work for me

557
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and in that case i did do some things

558
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like i channeled that entity and i

559
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have taken some proactive measures and

560
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i've

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slowly over years allowed that entity

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to

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have a mediated conversation between it

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and i

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mediated by my guides and my spiritual

566
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team

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so we didn't banish it and kick it out

568
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forever i'm still in relationship with

569
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it but it's all

570
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mediated through a set of spiritual

571
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,600
guides and a lineage really

572
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i hope that makes sense as a response to

573
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that great question let me do you mind

574
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if i ask you some things as well yeah no

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00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,400
i love conversation personally good

576
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,720
so i'm curious about what your

577
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,039
strategy has been in this respect you

578
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,520
know after having these initial

579
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,760
profound formative events

580
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,440
what has been your

581
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,360
longer term

582
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,880
connoitering with

583
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,640
how to deal with it where do you fall on

584
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,559
that spectrum between it just happens to

585
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:37,919
me or i'm gonna go out and do a c5

586
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:40,320
yeah

587
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,440
everything at this point um you know

588
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,960
figuring out what works what doesn't

589
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,960
work opening all the different doors and

590
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,159
and seeing

591
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,799
you know what happens i noticed uh you

592
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,360
know i do unbeknownst to me it was kind

593
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,760
of like astral travel stuff

594
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,240
um and you know i i see things in the

595
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,320
sky and weird stuff happens that in my

596
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,080
life kind of um

597
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,880
you know accordingly for whatever reason

598
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:07,679
um

599
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,880
but for the most part i don't have a

600
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,559
very organized

601
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,080
strategy

602
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,789
you know maybe

603
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:20,960
ignore it more than anything

604
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:25,360
um actually just like uh ignoring

605
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,240
uh

606
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,110
you know how it shifted everything for

607
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,360
me and how i'm even here and i just am

608
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,640
living the life

609
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:36,799
and in doing this and

610
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:40,080
researching because i it also satisfies

611
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,880
me

612
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,840
you know

613
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,039
um i'm not

614
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,360
dissatisfied or upset that i'm here or

615
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,880
anything so

616
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,480
you know but when i'm alone with my

617
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,720
thoughts and everything i i

618
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,279
constantly always think about like um

619
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,960
you know

620
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,400
not so much my

621
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,960
why me but why now

622
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,760
and um you know does this have anything

623
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,400
to do with who i am as a person and you

624
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,559
know the the longings that i've always

625
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,880
had growing up as a kid or you know what

626
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:11,039
i've saw for my life for

627
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,919
you know

628
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,320
all sorts of stuff so it's pretty kind

629
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,120
of a tidal wave of different things for

630
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,039
sure um

631
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,600
but you know how do you feel like

632
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,240
how do you feel like it affected

633
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,400
if we do a before and after if we do a

634
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:28,960
pre-post comparison

635
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,080
from your first most principle important

636
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:34,960
experiences to now how would you say it

637
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,789
oh that is so hard because there's so

638
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,679
many things mixed up in it along with

639
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,080
covid and a complete life change i mean

640
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,880
i just lost my job maybe a few months

641
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,760
before that and got in a new house

642
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,600
and then kovitz started i couldn't play

643
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,080
shows anymore everything completely

644
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,600
changed so

645
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,840
the comparison is really hard to depend

646
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,679
to that or not

647
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,799
and

648
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,200
quality of life

649
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,760
isn't uh worse

650
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,799
and

651
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:11,600
i think it's more relaxed it's more

652
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,080
controlled it's it's overall better

653
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,240
more harmony

654
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,960
but also just a lot different than what

655
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,520
i'm what i'm used to

656
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,919
which is living closer to the city like

657
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,679
right outside the city playing shows

658
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,720
every month

659
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,039
winter was like i always had a show that

660
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,200
i look forward to and you know we'll go

661
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,720
out and have some drinks i haven't i

662
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:36,960
don't even drink anymore you know so

663
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,039
there's things like that that are pretty

664
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,039
good benefit and not for this reason or

665
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,120
the other i just don't you know

666
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,880
um

667
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:46,720
so i don't know quality of life i guess

668
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,840
uh health-wise is better you know um

669
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,000
it's the isolation that kind of hurts

670
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,320
that came along with kovid but this show

671
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,760
has helped a lot

672
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,720
you know

673
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,799
so that's interesting that you say that

674
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,159
if i would have had that experience i

675
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,919
wouldn't be doing the show i would have

676
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,240
been even more isolated

677
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,679
do you feel like it

678
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,320
modulated your spiritual life at all or

679
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,600
no

680
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:12,480
uh it shocked it for sure i mean i grew

681
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,679
up born again uh christian for sure

682
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,640
um i wasn't really one way or another at

683
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,600
the time of the event um i was having

684
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,799
some family uh issues at the time

685
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,320
um

686
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,470
what i got from the event was

687
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,840
um

688
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,720
your

689
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:35,919
things that come to mind are you're

690
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,760
never alone there's always help

691
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,000
pay attention

692
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,350
you know find a way to find the beauty

693
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,440
in the normal things in life

694
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,279
and everyday things

695
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,039
um

696
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,440
you can be content with what you have

697
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:58,000
you know all sorts of stuff like that

698
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,360
um

699
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,760
so i think overall is is good messaging

700
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,240
you know and i have grown so much from

701
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:06,159
just the people i've met from from doing

702
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,520
the show

703
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,600
um you know and

704
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,760
meeting people like yourself and jay she

705
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,159
has become such a positive person in my

706
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,240
life so

707
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,559
i although i'm in a place i would have

708
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,279
never thought i'd find myself in a

709
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,960
million years

710
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:24,640
i can say

711
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,840
enjoy it

712
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,760
i i mean when kovet hit all the

713
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,679
musicians and stuff they're all playing

714
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,080
um you know like virtual shows on the

715
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,760
webcams and stuff it was like i don't

716
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,679
want any part of that

717
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,399
not interested nope

718
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,080
you know

719
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,919
little did i know i was gonna go out and

720
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:45,760
buy a webcam

721
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:49,360
and do a freaking podcast

722
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,320
you know

723
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,720
and have people like yourself on or

724
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,760
elizondo or leslie or yeah you know all

725
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,520
these different people

726
00:28:00,789 --> 00:28:00,000
i'd be the last interview senator reed

727
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,799
had

728
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,520
you know all this stuff like never in a

729
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,799
million years

730
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:06,960
you know i think i barely knew who he

731
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:10,000
was at you know before that all happened

732
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,960
to me

733
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,440
other than you know a house

734
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,039
majority leader or

735
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,720
whip and everything but

736
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,279
you know so it's it's uh intense but

737
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,440
also you know i wonder if you have this

738
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,279
feeling as well where all these things

739
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,919
are and i've had this feeling my whole

740
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:27,360
life and i know a lot of other people

741
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,039
have but like uh everything is uh

742
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,080
building to some sort of um

743
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,760
i don't i don't even want to say the

744
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,440
wrong words or anything but everything's

745
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:40,080
building to just some sort of

746
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,200
uh

747
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,919
like a climax or a tipping point of some

748
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,200
sort and

749
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,840
you know my whole life i felt like

750
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,919
whatever job i had or whatever didn't

751
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,600
really matter too much because

752
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:53,120
everything was coming down to this one

753
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,480
point that was coming up that i didn't

754
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:55,760
even know what it was

755
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,840
you

756
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,640
know

757
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,760
i got to to take care of myself or

758
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,159
whatever but um

759
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,000
you know and then i have this massive

760
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,760
experience at this time

761
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,679
and uh all this stuff is happening in

762
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,480
the world i don't know it just all seems

763
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:14,399
too

764
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,000
know how i felt my whole life about you

765
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,480
have you felt that way

766
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,919
yeah i will say

767
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,120
again to just

768
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:28,559
lay hands on a couple different stones a

769
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,399
few different stones uh for me yes i am

770
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,679
having that experience and i think that

771
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:35,200
it's interesting for

772
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,559
in this conversation as musicians and

773
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,360
the intimacy that we feel with frequency

774
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,159
and tempo i honestly

775
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,520
primarily orient and interpret

776
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,559
my

777
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,039
experience in reality through the

778
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,200
musicality of the body and the being and

779
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:55,360
that's part of why when you share this

780
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,159
am i

781
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,679
experiencing an acceleration and a

782
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,440
rapidity and a crescendo

783
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,039
intensification yeah i would say that

784
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,159
what i'm feeling as an inhabitant of

785
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:05,679
earth right now

786
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:09,279
reminds me of the build in the

787
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,320
third

788
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:12,240
act of a concerto

789
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,120
this is

790
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:14,880
beethoven level

791
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,919
crescendo and as musicians i just feel

792
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:18,799
that

793
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,480
within the

794
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:25,679
white noise and cacophony of the culture

795
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,480
it can be easy for us to forget that we

796
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:30,480
actually are just natively possessed of

797
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,679
the listening capability to recognize

798
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,440
shifts like that in our environment

799
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,159
that's the musicality within us right so

800
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,840
totally yes to that

801
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,840
and then also

802
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,679
having conversations with

803
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,840
hundreds of experiencers

804
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,640
where

805
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,600
over and over and over i mean

806
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,360
this is

807
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,120
as close to a consensus as experiencers

808
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,840
get and it actually runs the spectrum

809
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,760
from those having what they perceive to

810
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,480
be negative experiences which i do not

811
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:04,320
mean that in a dismissive way i'm just

812
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,360
saying that

813
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,120
it's complicated there as well sometimes

814
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,360
the negative shifts into positive

815
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,440
sometimes the positive ones will bump

816
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,840
you with a negative so

817
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,760
the range of people

818
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,320
uh reporting their experiences

819
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,880
almost universally includes

820
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,679
this

821
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,760
sense of urgency being impressed upon

822
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,039
them from

823
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,120
non-human entities saying that

824
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,399
time is running out this is utterly

825
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,080
an emergency you've got to x y and z

826
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,080
the crisis is coming the big change is

827
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,279
coming it's drummed drummed drummed into

828
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,480
us right

829
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,360
and i feel that also

830
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,320
the last rock to touch in this respect

831
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:48,320
that

832
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:51,519
there's a commensurate

833
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,799
parallel quality to what we're observing

834
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,720
manifest in our world

835
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,600
right

836
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,840
that equals the interior i feel like

837
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,600
we're seeing on the outside what's been

838
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,760
going in going on on the inside for a

839
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,159
long time and in that old

840
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:09,039
um alchemical premise of as above so

841
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,240
below well

842
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,640
as without so within

843
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,120
and there's that quality to it as well

844
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:16,799
people feeling

845
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,399
are we in spiritual warfare are we in

846
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,960
an existential

847
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,039
metaphysical

848
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,600
struggle to claim and reclaim our world

849
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,679
and to be worthy

850
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,919
of being stewards of it all that's in

851
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,600
the mix for me i don't have the answers

852
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,519
to any of that i'm just living that i

853
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,440
share the intensity

854
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,039
yeah me neither

855
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,440
it's it's just um

856
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,960
yeah i think you described it really

857
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,960
well but with the third crescendo of

858
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,799
beethoven

859
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,320
yeah you know

860
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:49,200
um

861
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,039
and you have even stupid things like the

862
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,200
doomsday clock you know is like never

863
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,679
been closer to hitting that midnight

864
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,760
we've been you know warned about climate

865
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,840
change for so long which just so happens

866
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,399
to be uh things that people are told

867
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,320
from these beings

868
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,440
you know for

869
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,159
you know decades and decades and and all

870
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,720
that um but i've never had

871
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,679
um direct like uh messages or anything

872
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,159
like that like well this is a odd being

873
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:21,679
i've never seen before and it's talking

874
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,120
to me i've never had that um i

875
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,679
tend to get messages or things of that

876
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:30,399
sort and in just my dream life and

877
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,600
and you know

878
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,760
that's why there's new visions or

879
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,360
something like that would you share one

880
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,120
from your dream life

881
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,600
sure i mean i'll share one before i i

882
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,799
wrote this

883
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,399
you know it's probably

884
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:43,840
maybe

885
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,640
five or six years ago i wrote this song

886
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:48,880
called uh bombs will fall

887
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,240
and the dream was a guy in front of a

888
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,519
big

889
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,279
window that took up like the whole wall

890
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,200
or whatever and he's looking out the

891
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,360
window and there's these things falling

892
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,519
from the sky that look like either hot

893
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,679
air balloons or parachutes or something

894
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,080
like that of that sort and they're just

895
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,840
this guy's filled with them

896
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,000
and he turns around and he looks at me

897
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,040
and he says there has been a declaration

898
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,720
of war

899
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,679
and

900
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:17,119
that's it

901
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,399
and that has

902
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,320
stood with me very vivid just that

903
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,800
little piece and you know i wrote that

904
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,159
song and

905
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:25,839
so to speak and

906
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,119
you know stuff like that happens a lot

907
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,200
um to me not a lot but kind of on and

908
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:33,280
off i guess you could say a lot to not a

909
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,119
lot um so that happens um and then i

910
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,720
talk in my sleep and say very

911
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:40,879
interesting things sometimes you record

912
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,800
that you reported oh really yeah are you

913
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,800
have you played any of that on the show

914
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,720
i haven't heard it

915
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,800
i did when i first started and then i

916
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,320
was like a little self-conscious i was

917
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,480
like maybe i should be doing this

918
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,399
when i first started the show

919
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,640
probably the one of the weirdest things

920
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,520
for me was uh like um

921
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,160
one i just said march 15th that's it was

922
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,240
march 15th and

923
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,320
and that was coming up and maybe i don't

924
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,240
remember specifically but it was maybe

925
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,160
in like a month or something it's not

926
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,160
this year but it was

927
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,920
the march 15th corbell came out with

928
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,760
that pyramid video

929
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,079
and i just happened to be like immersed

930
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,160
in this life at that time

931
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,240
and so you know

932
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,000
i put that together i was like that's

933
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,359
weird

934
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,119
you know so just stuff like that um but

935
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,440
otherwise you know i guess the the

936
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,079
biggest dream i've ever had was like

937
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,800
probably my first

938
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,000
uh

939
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,920
ontological shock kind of moment i've

940
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,720
had

941
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,599
um and that was i was maybe like 21

942
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,320
years old or 22 years old

943
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,040
and i was i told the dream i wrote it up

944
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:53,040
in the experiencer group once

945
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,920
um

946
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,200
how

947
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,400
i was on the school playground um kind

948
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,800
of like by the the basketball courts

949
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,480
concrete parking lot going to the

950
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,960
library double doors there's a guy at

951
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,320
the rounded

952
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,119
desk um he's a middle eastern guy he

953
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,520
gives me a scroll i'm opening it up says

954
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:13,440
seven something as i walk out of the

955
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,240
door

956
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,400
wind takes it out of my hands and you

957
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,760
know it blows

958
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,520
down the

959
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,280
um concrete

960
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,440
um playground

961
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,839
and so i continue walking towards black

962
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,839
basketball courts these two big skinny

963
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,480
tornadoes come right at me i have like a

964
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,400
fight or flight kind of mentality like i

965
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,040
can run or i can take this on kind of

966
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,880
thing you know and that's how i've lived

967
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,040
my life almost

968
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,680
you know uh after that point and up

969
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,119
until that point was like i'm not

970
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,359
running you know i'm taking the sun so

971
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,200
these tornadoes come at me i grab each

972
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,880
one whip them across my arms um and it

973
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,200
just becomes like a real

974
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,760
i guess i'm in the middle of a tornado

975
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,800
you know

976
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:58,960
um things are blowing around then i

977
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,400
start just levitating off the ground

978
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,240
which i flew in my dreams a lot at the

979
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,400
time and this was not that i could

980
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,240
activate the flying i knew how to do it

981
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:09,599
physically

982
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,000
um but this was um you know um

983
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,760
not of my own accord

984
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,200
so i start

985
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,680
lifting up these white uh spirits or

986
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,000
beings start zipping past me faster than

987
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,760
i could like really make out too much

988
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,599
detail of anything

989
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,320
and i hear um some of the most beautiful

990
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,079
sound or music i've ever heard in my

991
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,560
life um i can't remember it now which

992
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,839
sucks but i remember thinking that

993
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,880
um and

994
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,720
then all of a sudden a stained-glass

995
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,640
picture of jesus christ is out there in

996
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,800
the sky or what we know jesus to look

997
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,760
like

998
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,240
and i start getting closer to it and as

999
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,880
it gets close to me it changes into a

1000
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,320
real face

1001
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,480
looks at me and says sean just stop

1002
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,119
worrying and go back to school

1003
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,040
and then i wake up

1004
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,160
and i'm just like bawling crying

1005
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:02,000
and then trying to like think about what

1006
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,520
the hell do you mean go back to school i

1007
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,760
have no intent on going to college i'm

1008
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,680
not going to college what are you trying

1009
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,560
to tell me you know what is this about

1010
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,920
um

1011
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,960
and over over the years i think all it

1012
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,240
meant was

1013
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:22,790
like things going wrong or like the end

1014
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,240
of you know life or whatever and

1015
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,920
in whatever form that could be and just

1016
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,520
go back to school start living your life

1017
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,280
start trying to be a good person and

1018
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,359
learning and growing is what i took that

1019
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,200
is

1020
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,200
so whether i was right or not i don't

1021
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,440
know but um that kind of started a lot

1022
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,440
of just uh different

1023
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,240
weird stuff over over the course of the

1024
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,880
next 20 years

1025
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:49,200
well you're in the mr school now man i

1026
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,079
mean

1027
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,160
you are neck deep

1028
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,359
yeah

1029
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,480
so

1030
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,480
you know it was pretty odd but yeah

1031
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,960
that's that's what it is and you know i

1032
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,800
can't it's hard to make sense of it the

1033
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,040
most sense i can make of any of it is

1034
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,680
when i um try my hardest to not think

1035
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,440
about it and just

1036
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,640
feel it

1037
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:10,560
and whether that be write it out or say

1038
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,440
it

1039
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,680
or whatever yeah you know just kind of

1040
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,320
zoned out the active mind and and you

1041
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,160
know um what do they call it automatic

1042
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:19,920
writing perhaps

1043
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,880
stuff like that that helps a lot

1044
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,960
so that's beautiful

1045
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,829
yeah um

1046
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,440
don't know where to go from there i

1047
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,440
guess well i think

1048
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,520
that um

1049
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,599
you know for instance it's interesting

1050
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,280
to

1051
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,040
consider

1052
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,680
this is one of the types of work

1053
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,599
with experiences whether one-on-one

1054
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,680
groups and i think it's just an endeavor

1055
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,320
that a lot of experiences are taken up

1056
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,720
of late which is

1057
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:54,000
trying to consider

1058
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,760
what

1059
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,880
non-anthropomorphic or non-human

1060
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,960
consciousness might be like

1061
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:01,359
and how that relationship works and i'm

1062
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,880
going to be specific with the dreams in

1063
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,240
a second here that's what where this

1064
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,000
leads actually so

1065
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,920
to personalize it in my

1066
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,079
trying to figure out why in the heck an

1067
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,839
eight foot tall mantis entities showed

1068
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:13,520
up in my room

1069
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,470
i mean it's absolutely preposterous and

1070
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,079
so i

1071
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:24,000
in going deeper and deeper year over

1072
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,520
year into

1073
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,599
investigating and interrogating this and

1074
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,839
then having more interaction with it

1075
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,000
one of the things that it told me is i

1076
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,839
tried i had put forth a question

1077
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,000
something to the effect of like how am i

1078
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,880
supposed to even have any kind of

1079
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,880
relationship with you how can i imagine

1080
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,480
what

1081
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,560
this consciousness of an eight-foot tall

1082
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,040
man identity is like and it said

1083
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,760
try to imagine

1084
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:51,119
your waking

1085
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,319
dreaming and deep dreamless life

1086
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,800
all integrated into one occurring

1087
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:58,800
simultaneously

1088
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,319
what if those were completely cohered

1089
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,200
into one integrated reality

1090
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,359
which this leads to then from that that

1091
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,839
conversation continued took that up as a

1092
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,240
practice and interestingly there are

1093
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,400
human lineages which

1094
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,400
emphasize and provide tools to do that

1095
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,319
vajrayana buddhist buddhism is one of

1096
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:21,520
them but there are others hermeticism uh

1097
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,839
western ones as well so that led to

1098
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,319
further interactions and uh

1099
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,960
considerations including

1100
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:32,720
the

1101
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,480
speaking in real general terms here but

1102
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,680
we know that

1103
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,520
most of

1104
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,920
conventional consensus reality considers

1105
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,400
waking state to be what's real dreaming

1106
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:50,800
state is like a [\h__\h] wild card

1107
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,599
you know casino show of unpredictable

1108
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,720
craziness and then deep dreamless sleep

1109
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,319
is something we don't even think about

1110
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,160
it's like might might as well not even

1111
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,480
be there why does that happen every 24

1112
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,640
hours right it's pretty weird actually

1113
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,599
it is

1114
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,400
right so this entity was basically like

1115
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,480
flip those

1116
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,800
the deep dreamless sleep

1117
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,079
excretes and gives emergence to the

1118
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:17,599
dreaming body

1119
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,880
gross body and the physical body you've

1120
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,520
got the pyramid upside down we have the

1121
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,680
most in common with you

1122
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,079
in the deepest registers if you go all

1123
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,160
the way down to deep dreamless sleep

1124
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,400
there's a lot of shared territory you go

1125
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,160
into the subtle body in the dreaming

1126
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,400
state there's a good bit of shared

1127
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,640
territory good bit of interaction and

1128
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,560
where we may have the least in common

1129
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,960
with them in particular the mantids in

1130
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,760
this case is the waking state reality

1131
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,680
that we're currently assigning the most

1132
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,200
legitimacy and ontological status to

1133
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,119
that could be a huge

1134
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,599
pardon my french [\h__\h] hiccup in our

1135
00:43:03,349 --> 00:42:59,920
attempts to obtain greater understanding

1136
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:03,359
and also mutuality and uh

1137
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,400
something

1138
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,560
approaching equality or at least

1139
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,560
a mutual relationship where both parties

1140
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,760
are benefiting and growing so

1141
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,640
suggestion was basically like

1142
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,800
take up that strategy and see where that

1143
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,400
leads and so to your dream that's why i

1144
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,160
was so curious to hear about your

1145
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,160
dreaming life because in my case one of

1146
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:23,680
the

1147
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,040
items that came up in my manifesto let's

1148
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,200
say where i was asserting how things

1149
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,200
wanted i would like things to change and

1150
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,800
i would like them to look differently

1151
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,280
and one of them was like

1152
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,520
i prefer you don't show up physically

1153
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,839
like that again and

1154
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,839
could we find a softer

1155
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,240
more oblique way to

1156
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,680
and so

1157
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,480
about a week and a half ago or maybe two

1158
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,200
weeks ago i had a dream

1159
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,680
uh it wasn't lucid but it was very vivid

1160
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,160
it was super vivid and rich

1161
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:58,319
and in this stream

1162
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,200
four

1163
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,359
mantis insects that was in my parents

1164
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,079
garage in minnesota i was raised in a

1165
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,319
fundamentalist christian family as

1166
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,359
uh an interesting coordinating point i'm

1167
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:11,839
in my parents garage and in my palms

1168
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,200
like this these four mantis insects land

1169
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,599
in my palms two of them

1170
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,640
are an almost luminous

1171
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,280
brilliant shade of pink

1172
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,280
and the other two are green and green

1173
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,079
brownish and i look at them and they

1174
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,880
blow up into the eight foot tall

1175
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,000
versions

1176
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,599
and the pink one

1177
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,119
comes forward

1178
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,119
and just

1179
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,680
presents itself and mind you

1180
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,000
it one of its eyes was as big as my

1181
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,480
entire head it was

1182
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,359
[\h__\h] massive right and so it comes

1183
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,200
right up

1184
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,160
to about a foot away from me

1185
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,680
felt no fear which is utterly totally

1186
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,800
unique i mean i have gone through

1187
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,480
the [\h__\h] with the panic attacks and the

1188
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,000
hyper vigilance and all that and it

1189
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,800
comes right a foot away and it just lets

1190
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,000
me

1191
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,520
examine it

1192
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:08,560
for like

1193
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,839
10 minutes in my parents garage the

1194
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,640
point of their arrival was like

1195
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,599
just

1196
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,960
take your time

1197
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,200
and take all the looks you need and get

1198
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,920
this close and like they just let me

1199
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,520
inspect them

1200
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,440
and they did nothing and had nothing and

1201
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,720
wanted nothing

1202
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,240
and that

1203
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,920
was so this

1204
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,760
there was telepathic communication but i

1205
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,280
couldn't remember any of it and so when

1206
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,440
i came out of this dream and i woke up i

1207
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,640
was like

1208
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,079
oh my god

1209
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,960
that's that's it that's how i would love

1210
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,560
for this to go

1211
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,760
no fear

1212
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:46,560
patience you let me just look at you

1213
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,280
like

1214
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,960
that was so

1215
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,720
considerate

1216
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,680
now

1217
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,720
out into consensus reality with that and

1218
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,319
you go out into the unfamiliar world

1219
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,240
which hasn't immersed itself and gone

1220
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,520
through the

1221
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,200
gradations of yeah

1222
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,920
what are you talking about it's a dream

1223
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,240
right it's a dream uh

1224
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,680
no if you look at the whole history of

1225
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,480
the entire thing uh and also

1226
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,760
beginning with the fact that these

1227
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:13,920
entities mantis in particular but many

1228
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,800
of the others they show up in waking

1229
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,359
dreaming they show up in anthogenically

1230
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,720
induced states they show up in

1231
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,640
meditative stage they show up but out of

1232
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,520
body states they show up in near-death

1233
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,319
experiences they show up in every state

1234
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,359
that is in the menu of human experience

1235
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,839
and i had been making requests and

1236
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,079
wishing i was like please find a softer

1237
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,520
way to arrive

1238
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:39,680
if we're going to be working together

1239
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,400
and

1240
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,960
in my experience working together i love

1241
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,240
that

1242
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,160
we're gonna have partners in this

1243
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,480
i also feel like the pink

1244
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,400
my second favorite color in the world is

1245
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,960
pink okay i mean after black right i

1246
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,640
mean next time when you come on we'll

1247
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,880
wear pink um

1248
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,319
and i felt

1249
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,400
clear also emotionally again this is

1250
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,240
just a feeling it's like

1251
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,640
the fact that it made itself

1252
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,440
presented itself as that shade of pink

1253
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:09,599
also immediately brought all the levels

1254
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,839
down for me sure that color signals

1255
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,720
friendliness and fashion and fun and

1256
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,400
beauty and bubble gum to me it's just

1257
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,599
like i love it

1258
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,480
and

1259
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,319
so to the dreams i mean i i think that

1260
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:25,040
the the thought there that perhaps both

1261
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:25,920
of us

1262
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,839
are feeling some signal from is that

1263
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,160
yes we may think there's a different

1264
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,520
reality status to waking versus dreaming

1265
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,440
i don't get any sense that these beings

1266
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:40,079
experience reality that way i do not

1267
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,359
think they

1268
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:43,680
have any notion the dreaming

1269
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,359
body is somehow less valid so

1270
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:48,640
no

1271
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,280
is like this but like the big dreams you

1272
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,119
know like the one i described to you and

1273
00:48:02,950 --> 00:47:59,839
a handful of others i've had since then

1274
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:02,960
uh feel more emotionally impactful

1275
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,160
in this waking life than most things

1276
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,200
that happened to me in this waking life

1277
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:11,760
right you know right like that they

1278
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,559
changed a trajectory of of you know my

1279
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,359
just general thought process and psyche

1280
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,720
you know for

1281
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,960
for the rest of the days that that i

1282
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,760
live

1283
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,240
you know more so than a lot of stuff

1284
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:27,599
i've physically experienced so i can't i

1285
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,559
think her

1286
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,880
that in and of itself to me is like you

1287
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,680
know

1288
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,280
you can second-guess yourself all day

1289
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,760
long but when you just listen to that

1290
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,680
the reality of it

1291
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,559
um

1292
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,839
you know i think the answer is right

1293
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,640
there as far as how real it is

1294
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,160
so that concur

1295
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,280
yeah

1296
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,870
what do you think

1297
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:51,839
the

1298
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,559
does it want to be like an insect

1299
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,960
that's that's what i look like

1300
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,200
i love this question right so once again

1301
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,359
when i began to ask that question

1302
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:06,000
because of course i'm just like why that

1303
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,800
what

1304
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,000
form this

1305
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,559
yeah and one of the clues that pops up

1306
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,760
uh right out of the gate is that the

1307
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,559
mantis insects the small insect friday

1308
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:18,480
that we have on planet earth have been

1309
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,920
here for at least 135 million years and

1310
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,640
there are 2 400 species of them

1311
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,640
and they

1312
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,599
basically gird the globe in most places

1313
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,640
so

1314
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,240
that clue alone

1315
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,960
the morphology these entities either

1316
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,760
take or have and i did get into an

1317
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,079
exchange with this entity about this

1318
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,520
its

1319
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,599
account to me was that

1320
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:44,720
they

1321
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:48,400
seeded this planet with those insects

1322
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:52,160
as a kind of present scene and

1323
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,280
also as a

1324
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,440
operating system they can see according

1325
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,440
to this entity through these insects and

1326
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,040
they can control synchronicities and

1327
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,680
they can basically have a

1328
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,400
a terraformed living

1329
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,480
contact point nodal point with anywhere

1330
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,240
in the world but also

1331
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,920
there was a spirit of like we also did

1332
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,760
it just because they're beautiful and we

1333
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,319
were seeding the planet

1334
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,240
yes so they

1335
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,720
but here's an interesting twist on this

1336
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,280
uh in one of the sessions

1337
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,720
when i was working

1338
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,319
with a shaman

1339
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,480
the shaman thought you know it was the

1340
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,280
shaman working in mediating me with this

1341
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,680
mantis entity and she had the foresight

1342
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,280
at this time which i never had thought

1343
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:36,160
of and in retrospect really appreciate

1344
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:39,920
she said ask it to show it to you ask it

1345
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:44,800
to show itself to you as it sees itself

1346
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,079
and as they see each other and when she

1347
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,599
she said that

1348
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,280
it

1349
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,040
morphed into

1350
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,720
a sphere

1351
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,520
of

1352
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:57,200
chorus skating

1353
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,200
loom

1354
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,839
bioluminescent

1355
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,280
indigo

1356
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,359
tendrils inside of the sphere it almost

1357
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,359
looked like the combination

1358
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:08,559
between a tesla coil and like a deep sea

1359
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:11,599
bioluminescent creature very alive

1360
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,640
sentient and just

1361
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,680
mesmerizingly beautiful the color of

1362
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:17,040
indigo was

1363
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,400
indigo's the closest but it was

1364
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,559
something i hadn't really seen on earth

1365
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,760
and then it

1366
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,760
communicated would you like

1367
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,440
to see where you're from so in the

1368
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:27,200
middle of this conversation it was had

1369
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,400
been telling me like you know you've

1370
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,160
been one of us before i've worked with

1371
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,680
you for many lifetimes and you always

1372
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,160
forget and that's fine you've actually

1373
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,240
lived

1374
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,720
and i was like okay and so he took this

1375
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,160
form and it said would you like to see

1376
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,359
where you're from and i was like yes and

1377
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:44,400
so

1378
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,839
it rushed me through these

1379
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:48,839
black

1380
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,160
undulating it wasn't outer space and it

1381
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,119
wasn't merely inner space it was some

1382
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,880
bizarre blend

1383
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,000
it was like

1384
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,839
moving through velvet folds of a

1385
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,359
dimensional

1386
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:03,920
space so that i didn't have acquaintance

1387
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,359
with and we got to this

1388
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,400
casual chasm this open aperture inside

1389
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,640
of those velvety folds

1390
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:15,040
and there was like a hovel a massive

1391
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,319
hovel airplane hanger size hovel and in

1392
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,079
it there were

1393
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,680
like a hundred

1394
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,800
of these

1395
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,119
indigo luminous orbs

1396
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:28,079
just cascading like a waterfall

1397
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,640
over and over each other and it was

1398
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,680
totally utterly spectacularly

1399
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:38,160
beautiful beyond words to this day

1400
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,200
i feel like it was one of the most

1401
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:41,200
beautiful things i ever saw

1402
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,400
and

1403
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,160
i was i didn't want to leave it was just

1404
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,680
so beautiful it wasn't the even the

1405
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,240
emotional i wasn't like oh i'm home and

1406
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,559
i'm one of you it was more like right i

1407
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,319
cannot even you mean that sounds so

1408
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:54,640
worthy

1409
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,069
because it's it's sentiment was like

1410
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,160
would you like to come here when you

1411
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,079
excarnate you could come and you could

1412
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,680
restore yourself here and everything i

1413
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,200
was just like

1414
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,319
holy [\h__\h] can you even i couldn't

1415
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:11,839
apprehend

1416
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,559
or express how beautiful it was and this

1417
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,760
was at the end of the session and i

1418
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,440
didn't want to leave and

1419
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,720
i did

1420
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,440
but to your question originally like

1421
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,040
are are they

1422
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:26,240
fundamentally morphologically that meant

1423
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:27,119
form

1424
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,480
i don't know

1425
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,720
this is an experience that i had that

1426
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,599
colors the possibility that maybe that

1427
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,880
indigo thing

1428
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:36,240
is a form

1429
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,599
i'm putting the clues together like

1430
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,200
everybody else i don't have any of those

1431
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,520
fundamental answers but that's one of my

1432
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,119
favorite questions

1433
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,359
for sure

1434
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,440
because if they're from outer space

1435
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,960
explain to me why the insects have been

1436
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:51,119
here for 135 million years when you're

1437
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,559
there you know

1438
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,880
if you know you know it's asking a lot

1439
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,040
of you but if you go back

1440
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,119
where's the suits where do you where do

1441
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:01,359
you where do you where do you keep these

1442
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,240
things that's so funny because

1443
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,119
and then when i saw the cascade

1444
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,760
only then did the color of the robe that

1445
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,240
was wearing when it showed up

1446
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,839
have a connect point

1447
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,079
the robe didn't look exactly like but it

1448
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,359
had that indigo color to it okay

1449
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:22,319
so maybe i don't know yeah that man

1450
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,920
that's interesting what do you think it

1451
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,520
was that

1452
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,760
um

1453
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,359
that uh

1454
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,160
you know i've seen if it's

1455
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,640
somewhat uh you know related to

1456
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,440
um

1457
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,960
the guest i was speaking of that you

1458
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,559
were talking

1459
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,640
talking with uh i already forgot how to

1460
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,400
say his name bastiano

1461
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:44,640
sebastiano yeah yeah

1462
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,240
what what do you think those things are

1463
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,359
i'm totally speculating here because i'm

1464
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,400
mesmerized and befuddled but i would if

1465
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,760
i ventured a guess i i would say

1466
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,559
a

1467
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,280
indigenous

1468
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,040
earth-based

1469
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:05,760
ancient primordial intelligence that has

1470
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:08,480
an utterly non-anthropomorphic

1471
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,960
form and yet is sentient to the hilt

1472
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,599
and is capable although probably not

1473
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:17,280
often interested in

1474
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,799
interacting intimately with human beings

1475
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,240
telepath i mean

1476
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:24,319
you know the telepathic intelligence the

1477
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:28,160
sentience morphing inside of that field

1478
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,200
quite

1479
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,960
again the surface of this if you're just

1480
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,440
gonna browse through a few paragraphs of

1481
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,880
it people are just going to dismiss it

1482
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,799
and say cloud but if you're standing in

1483
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:38,559
front of one of those things

1484
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,190
a pretty stern

1485
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,000
uh dismissal of this intelligence to

1486
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:49,839
sebastiano and his friend that basically

1487
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,119
told them we're done now [\h__\h] off

1488
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,710
it had another

1489
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,960
other bag of tricks that it pulled out

1490
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,839
in that

1491
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,440
i wouldn't say tricks is a terrible word

1492
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,799
to use it communicated in ways that were

1493
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,880
unmistakably

1494
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,760
plucked from the interior of them in

1495
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,400
ways that there's no

1496
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,359
way

1497
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,359
that sebastiano

1498
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,160
could have better had verified that this

1499
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,559
sentence had access to each of their

1500
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:23,040
interiors individually and could show

1501
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,240
them

1502
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,079
to one another

1503
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:27,680
yeah i had something

1504
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,720
kind of strange as well like i had a

1505
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:33,839
dream i had um years prior come true

1506
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:36,880
after seeing it um like a pretty

1507
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,559
pretty heavy like emotional dream so

1508
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,799
what do you think intelligences are that

1509
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,680
was

1510
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,119
what's interesting that you say that

1511
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:47,599
because i've been um you know as i learn

1512
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,880
about uh like earth lights

1513
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:53,119
or or some people call them i guess like

1514
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:54,480
the

1515
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,890
um

1516
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,079
[Music]

1517
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,880
ghost lights or spook lights

1518
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,200
um but i just found out about them like

1519
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,520
living lights or earth lights john keel

1520
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,119
talking about him that's that's how i

1521
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,559
first heard about it

1522
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,079
and and just

1523
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,960
explained that the way he explained it

1524
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:12,559
and then looking into it a little bit

1525
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,440
more

1526
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,400
um you know it could be that because it

1527
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,640
seems indigenous seems like it has the

1528
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,480
ability to be intelligent

1529
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,079
um

1530
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,960
and physically it kind of matches and

1531
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,799
everything else i've seen

1532
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,880
um has

1533
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,200
been like a way lesser version of my

1534
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,960
first two

1535
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:35,359
experiences so it could be that um i

1536
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,240
didn't

1537
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,079
could have been a craft in there you

1538
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,319
know if it was like engulfed in like a

1539
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,040
gaseous type of plasma type of thing

1540
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,359
uh otherwise it reminds me of yeah like

1541
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,599
the the kind of um like what you were

1542
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,920
saying um so it's interesting they said

1543
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,880
that

1544
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,839
um

1545
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,480
you know i for the life of me i can't i

1546
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,319
haven't had um

1547
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,839
an up close

1548
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,160
experience like that again

1549
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,200
um the first time it was maybe 30

1550
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,599
40 feet above my head the other time

1551
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,400
which was a few days later was maybe 13

1552
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,480
feet in front of me

1553
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,920
that started with a light over my

1554
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,599
shoulder and i just kept in that

1555
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,079
trajectory and you know another thing

1556
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,160
that he mentioned when you asked them

1557
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,599
about um

1558
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,960
sorry to the audience who haven't heard

1559
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,040
this but you asked him

1560
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,520
you know he felt um it was intuition to

1561
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,960
turn left

1562
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,440
and how do you feel about that now and

1563
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,040
he said

1564
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:33,040
that it was just logical

1565
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,000
right

1566
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,599
and when that light came over my

1567
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,960
shoulder

1568
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,760
you know it was i knew to like

1569
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,760
look in this direction and i was going

1570
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,680
to see the same thing i just saw days

1571
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,680
prior again right

1572
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,119
i just knew it

1573
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,920
and when he said logical like that made

1574
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,160
more sense to me it's like yes it was

1575
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:55,119
logical to keep looking in that line of

1576
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:56,240
sight

1577
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,200
you know

1578
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,359
and it felt logical and then there it

1579
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:01,040
was it was in a different shape but it

1580
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,559
was made of the same

1581
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,400
exact kind of stuff you know well i

1582
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,839
would love to introduce the two of you

1583
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,240
actually because uh he also has found

1584
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,599
other people that have had encounters

1585
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,680
with that same morphological

1586
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,920
form interesting yes you should talk to

1587
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,920
him i'll connect with you

1588
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,079
yeah that'd be yeah and he's a musician

1589
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
too so it's cool yes

1590
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,319
yeah um

1591
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,079
let's see

1592
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,319
i'll leave with this we're up against

1593
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,960
the hour here let me ask you

1594
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,280
let me give you the the kind of floor

1595
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,359
and if you were to give advice um to

1596
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,680
people like myself or anybody listening

1597
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,000
anybody wrapped up in you know the ufo

1598
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,440
world these days

1599
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,960
um

1600
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:42,400
you know it's a hard question i'm sure

1601
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,280
but what would that advice be

1602
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,760
are we talking about experiencers

1603
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:49,359
anything you want

1604
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,559
yeah

1605
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:53,440
well i think that um

1606
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:56,319
in the broadest sense including everyone

1607
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:57,280
from

1608
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,280
researchers um to just general populists

1609
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,119
who find themselves

1610
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,720
enthralled or at least you know

1611
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,799
magnetically drawn toward this crazy

1612
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,920
mystery which

1613
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,559
has been amping up and getting more

1614
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:12,720
space in our platforms in our public

1615
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,309
keep a healthy dose of your curiosity

1616
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,079
and sense of humor

1617
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,160
not humor in a dismissive way but just

1618
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:27,359
that this is a very multi-dimensional

1619
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,480
prismatic

1620
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,400
and enigma

1621
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:32,720
and humor actually i have found

1622
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,319
goes a long way to inoculate you from

1623
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,440
the gravity and

1624
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,359
magnitude of this thing can overwhelm us

1625
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:43,200
sometimes right it's important to make

1626
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,640
art it's important to laugh it's

1627
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,000
important to

1628
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,359
keep the parts of our human lives that

1629
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,359
keep us vitalized and connected to each

1630
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,040
other so that'd be the biggest broadest

1631
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:54,880
thing was keep your mind open stay

1632
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,400
curious and keep a sense of humor and be

1633
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,119
friendly and loving like it's like the

1634
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:03,920
basic waltons stuff really and then with

1635
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,079
experiencers i feel

1636
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:08,720
really powerful that

1637
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:11,119
powerful emotions around them

1638
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,640
going about the work of looking into

1639
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,359
their experiences and their history

1640
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,559
as a we

1641
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,040
that we can look many ways but to have

1642
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,119
support to have connectivity

1643
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,799
importantly

1644
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,880
the support team can include a lot of

1645
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:28,079
folks they don't all have to be

1646
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:29,760
experiencers who've had

1647
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:32,720
similar or parallel histories

1648
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,520
but

1649
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,599
at least one or two

1650
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,799
should be sufficiently

1651
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,000
seasoned

1652
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,640
to be able to listen to your experiences

1653
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,720
without having to interpret them without

1654
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,400
having to

1655
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,200
justify explain or

1656
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:50,960
work them for you all you need is

1657
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,440
attunement to a great degree i mean it's

1658
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,240
almost shocking how far attunement goes

1659
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:58,319
with another experiencer

1660
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:00,799
in alleviating some of the biggest

1661
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,559
things we struggle with and

1662
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,000
interestingly

1663
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,240
and i'm not dissing on psychotherapists

1664
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,000
my wife is a psychotherapist and you

1665
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,400
know i i swim in psychotherapeutic

1666
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,480
waters but

1667
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,359
interestingly attunement of that kind

1668
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,440
and having that we including other

1669
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,119
experiencers

1670
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:20,960
doesn't necessarily

1671
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:23,440
come with certain certifications a

1672
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,480
person might not have any certifications

1673
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,079
they might just be your friend but they

1674
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,920
can hear and listen

1675
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:31,359
and be empty

1676
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,559
that's a big one and finding community

1677
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:35,920
and then

1678
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,440
beyond that um you know i'll put up on

1679
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,599
on my website there's uh the 10 tools

1680
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,599
that help experiencers and i won't go

1681
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,119
through them here but

1682
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:47,599
having the wii and then

1683
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,559
shifting life from up slowly and safely

1684
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,280
from being an experiencer to becoming an

1685
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:55,440
experience or a practitioner

1686
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,039
and that can look a million different

1687
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,280
ways but i would say those are the two

1688
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,640
biggies

1689
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,119
yeah well if you're down with it i would

1690
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,480
love to have you back because we barely

1691
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,799
got to touch so many i'm having you on

1692
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,760
my show

1693
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,680
that's what has to happen next all right

1694
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,520
okay so we'll do we'll do that next but

1695
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,200
yeah i would love to have you back

1696
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,280
absolutely any time man

1697
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,680
so we'll get her some shirts lined up

1698
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,599
i don't know if i can do the pink shirt

1699
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,960
thing but

1700
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,920
you know

1701
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,440
i'll think of something pink i can have

1702
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,960
i'm gonna send you a pic

1703
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,160
in the mail

1704
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,640
a pink bolo boa

1705
01:03:32,590 --> 01:03:30,799
oh okay it looks like a bullet big bolo

1706
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,600
type it's like a feather bow

1707
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,400
[Laughter]

1708
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,559
all right well god damn it i'll do it

1709
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,799
all right

1710
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:41,200
um no i had a really good talk with you

1711
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,799
i loved it

1712
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:45,119
can't wait to do it more so okay i'm

1713
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:46,720
sending you cosmic hugs brother thank

1714
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,920
you for having me on i love what you're

1715
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,039
doing

1716
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,640
yep you too

1717
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:52,799
out of here

1718
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:57,349
all right everybody thanks for joining

1719
01:04:02,710 --> 01:03:59,680
us today um everybody in the chat that i

1720
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:02,720
didn't say hi to uh robert craig diesel

1721
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,079
girl eve paranormal spending the new

1722
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:08,160
people victor v

1723
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,839
uh priscilla awesome too much

1724
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:11,599
information

1725
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,960
dope nose edmond star

1726
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:15,839
um

1727
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,520
this person who spammed us

1728
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:21,200
everybody so i

1729
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,960
i appreciate you guys hanging out uh

1730
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:25,119
that was a great talk um yeah there's so

1731
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,640
much more i would love to ask him about

1732
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:28,640
pick his brain about so uh hopefully

1733
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,359
we'll get to do that in the future

1734
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,440
and until then i'll see you tomorrow we

1735
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,520
have a great conversation in store

1736
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:38,480
um don't forget to like the video um

1737
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,200
subscribe if you haven't and share it if

1738
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:43,680
you are so inclined

1739
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:46,400
um that being said i'll see you tomorrow

1740
01:04:59,440 --> 01:04:48,510
peace

1741
01:05:01,070 --> 01:04:59,450
[Music]

1742
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[Applause]